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ReyVGM | Posted 2/12/2010 3:59:21 PM | message detail
The 9th edition of the NES FAQ Completion Project has come to a close.

Since 2004, there have been guides for 674 NES games with less than 250 games still in need of one. The percentage of completed guides is now at 84.1%

We finally have guides for a few of the last remaining USA games such as Metal Mech, Miracle Piano Teaching System, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom and Tecmo World Cup Soccer, with just War In The Gulf remaining.

Now starts the hard part, guides for Japanese games! Good luck to all the future contributors.

The project site, with complete stats can be found here: http://faqs.retronintendo.com
Aussie2B | Posted 2/12/2010 4:22:34 PM | message detail
I got a new game added to the database today: AV Hanafuda Club, which is an unlicensed Asian release (actually I submitted it as Japan since the cart/game is in Japanese and it was sold in Japan, but, who knows, maybe it was sold in China too. For whatever reason, it's up as Asian). Nobody needs to worry about covering it, though, as I should be able to easily convert a preexisting Hanafuda FAQ I wrote since it should be extremely similar. :)
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Devin Morgan (Moderator) | Posted 2/12/2010 4:26:47 PM | message detail
Looking at your Idol Hanafuda one, I think it should be more than easy for you to do. :) Look forward to seeing that soon!

In other news, I have a couple of games with FAQs coming up, and still looking into more quickies to get done. I may take care of Chinese Chess, which odino added today. Once I get the framework together, ala the one I did for Shogi years ago, a FAQ would be simple to do.

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Da Hui | Posted 2/12/2010 4:55:18 PM | message detail
I wrote a quick FAQ for 3 in 1 Supergun to hack away at odino's added games. Just posting since it seems like it won't be posted until Monday and don't want anybody to waste their time.
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IceQueenZer0 | Posted 2/12/2010 4:56:21 PM | message detail
Family Mahjong by Public Domain is up

I also submitted Baseball Fighter.
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Games | Posted 2/12/2010 6:00:39 PM | message detail
In the last topic, someone asked about how to defeat the first Boss in Journey to the West. I just beat it by using the Monkey and jumped over the skulls to attack the Boss. It helps if you get your attack when it turns back to you for more hits. You can also hit the skulls to prevent them from hitting you.

I also beat the second Boss (a bunch of rats) with the Monkey again. I stood in the middle of the screen, facing left. I jump over the first rat that appears from the right and fire to hit both the rat that came from the right and the newly appeared rat on the left. Repeat until you complete this easy boat.



Hope that helps whoever was asking about it.

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ReyVGM | Posted 2/12/2010 8:25:02 PM | message detail
What's going to happen to all those links I and other people posted on the last topic for games that are still not covered?
Da Hui | Posted 2/12/2010 8:29:55 PM | message detail
Well part 9 of the project has already been archived here:

http://faqs.retronintendo.com/nes/old_topic9/page1.html

What we should do is keep harassing Devin to make him make a Notes section on the incomplete list so we can have all links posted there in a very convenient/organized fashion. ;)
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Sirius | Posted 2/12/2010 8:57:24 PM | message detail
Now that I`ve been hanging with you guys for a while, I got this question to ask.

Do you guys actually enjoy the games you`re playing?
I mean, sure, it`s volunteer work and all, but some of you are pumping out FAQs like crazy, won`t that make them a little... hm, shallow?
I`m not looking at anyone here, but I`ve seen a lot of NES FAQs that, though listed as complete here, feel really rushed and summarized.

I`m sure we all want to say "Yayy! 100% of the NES games on GFAQs are covered!". Great, but what`s the point if half the faqs are lame?

Again, I`m not attacking anyone here, I just want to know if it`s really worth it and if there`s more than self-gratification in this project -- do you have fun playing the games?

Other unrelated question. Let`s pretend you love a game and want to write a FAQ for it (not part of this project). How can you do that and have fun?
I`m currently going through Madara on my famicom, and my Japanese is fine so I can go through it no problem. The half-finished FAQ here is, uh, well, not very good. Now I`m thinking - I should write a faq for the game - but then I`m also thinking, ugh... won`t that hinder my overall experience? If I have to start writing after every step I take, it`ll take forever.

Comments? :)
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ReyVGM | Posted 2/12/2010 9:06:47 PM | message detail
You are right, but it's better to have a shallow FAQ than no FAQ at all.

Yes, this race to have all games FAQed leads to some shallow FAQs (like my FAQs and like anything done in a rush in real life too), but remember, no one is stopping you from making a better FAQ. If you love a certain game and you think the FAQ sucks and you can do a better one, then by all means go ahead.

Just because a game is off the incomplete list doesn't mean no one else can make another one.
IceQueenZer0 | Posted 2/12/2010 9:08:14 PM | message detail
Half of the games I enjoy but the other half I push myself to bother FAQing it.
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adaml | Posted 2/12/2010 9:14:17 PM | message detail
Sirius, I've seriously thought the same exact thoughts you bring up. I'm also not going to bring up any names, but if I'm waiting forever for a good guide for a game and someone churns out a mediocre one that is not totally informative, it kinda sucks because now that there is a FAQ for it, there is a good chance nobody will bother writing for the game again.

Maybe when the NES FAQ Completion Project is finally finished, we can have the NES FAQ Perfectionist Project.

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Sirius | Posted 2/12/2010 9:25:15 PM | message detail
Rey, what you say is true but I think Adam nails it.
Anyone can still write a better one if they want to but people probably won`t bother doing it since there`s already one for it...
Also, you haven`t answered the crucial question Rey -- do you enjoy writing the faqs?

NES Perfectionist Project... I like the idea. :P
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Da Hui | Posted 2/12/2010 9:46:50 PM | message detail
I enjoy most of the games I write for, otherwise I wouldn't write for them. I know what you mean about people posting guides quickly just to get them done too. The problem is I think a good chunk of those is for games that are so basic that there really isn't much to write for it. Think of games like Solitaire, there's really not much to them so there isn't too much to write for. But yeah, there definitely is a good number of games that could use better FAQs.
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selmiak | Posted 2/12/2010 10:02:28 PM | message detail
I don't like rushed FAQs >_>
But then I make slow progress all the time, which I also don't like but dislike less...

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odino | Posted 2/12/2010 11:38:00 PM | message detail
And the streak continues, looks like Monday is already covered for guides. I'll ready Family Mahjong II for sometimes next week playing around with Kratos...oops Dante - how could I have made that mistake?!
ReyVGM | Posted 2/12/2010 11:57:38 PM | message detail
"do you enjoy writing the faqs?"

Writing FAQs is not my passion. Beating games is (or was). And if I beat a really hard game with obtuse solutions and I see that there are no FAQs, help or info about the game, then I write a quick walkthrough for them (as you can see from my bare bones FAQs).

But I'm not one to go into detail about enemy hit points or how much each weapon costs.
Devin Morgan | Posted 2/13/2010 12:18:17 AM | message detail
I enjoy many of the games I write for. Some more than others obviously. Some seem to be really neat when I start playing but end up tedious as I go along, but then I'm too far in to back out of FAQing it so I stick it out to the end.

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oblivion from aoc | Posted 2/13/2010 3:21:15 AM | message detail
I thought the project slowed to a near halt as all remaining games are non-english.
Games | Posted 2/13/2010 8:42:25 AM | message detail
^ It did, but something happened within the last 6 months and people started contributing to this project again. Or the regular contributors to this topic started churning out more games for it.



Do you guys actually enjoy the games you`re playing?

Yeah, I have to enjoy a game I am playing or I would not write for it.

I mean, sure, it`s volunteer work and all, but some of you are pumping out FAQs like crazy, won`t that make them a little... hm, shallow?

I take my time to make sure that I cover as much as possible.

I`m not looking at anyone here, but I`ve seen a lot of NES FAQs that, though listed as complete here, feel really rushed and summarized.

If my Geimos guide is one of them, I do agree with that statement. However, I think what is on this site is helpful for anyone that wants to attempt to go through all 256 stages that start to get repeatitive.

I`m sure we all want to say "Yayy! 100% of the NES games on GFAQs are covered!". Great, but what`s the point if half the faqs are lame?

I actually agree with this statement. However, a lame guide (with some useful information) is always better than no guide.

Again, I`m not attacking anyone here, I just want to know if it`s really worth it and if there`s more than self-gratification in this project -- do you have fun playing the games?

Again, I have to enjoy the game I am playing or I would not write for it. I would also hope that other users here are enjoying the game that they played, but that's not really something that I can control.

Other unrelated question. Let`s pretend you love a game and want to write a FAQ for it (not part of this project). How can you do that and have fun?

I generally play the game first before deciding to write for it. The only problem with this approach for certain games is that my ability to stick with a game starts to drop after playing the game for the 50th time just to get information on something that does not really matter.

I`m currently going through Madara on my famicom, and my Japanese is fine so I can go through it no problem. The half-finished FAQ here is, uh, well, not very good. Now I`m thinking - I should write a faq for the game - but then I`m also thinking, ugh... won`t that hinder my overall experience? If I have to start writing after every step I take, it`ll take forever.

If possible, try recording what you are doing when you play the game and then just play it back and write based on what you see. The way how my house is wired, I can easily achieve that through my video player with everything apart from my PC and SMS. The PC is covered through screen recording programs, but the SMS is the worst to write for when you get to tricky parts that require you to write down what you are doing.

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odino | Posted 2/13/2010 12:52:45 PM | message detail
.What we should do is keep harassing Devin to make him make a Notes section on the incomplete list so we can have all links posted there in a very convenient/organized fashion. ;)

Yeah, why not make all those games in the list clickable...not enough webspace?:) With only so few games left it shouldn't be that much work...*cough*
Devin Morgan (Moderator) | Posted 2/13/2010 1:24:00 PM | message detail
A notes section would probably be most feasible, if only to better preserve links to those Japanese-language guides we've been pulling off the web, etc. ;)

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Games | Posted 2/13/2010 2:18:23 PM | message detail
A notes section sounds good to me. We could use it to identify games that you do not need to understand any language to follow, something like:

Journey to the West - Can play without translation

or something similar.

Btw, you can actually play the above example without needing to know any other language.

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Da Hui | Posted 2/13/2010 9:22:47 PM | message detail
I just started playing Baltron a bit. I just have one question about it that I'm hoping somebody will be able to answer. Does anybody have any idea how to get more fuel? I run out about 2 times per stage which isn't going to cut it for a guide.
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Devin Morgan (Moderator) | Posted 2/13/2010 11:13:14 PM | message detail
Da Hui, apparently you need to look for blue capsule items. Maybe by killing certain enemies?
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Da Hui | Posted 2/15/2010 7:22:36 PM | message detail
Ugh, starting to get really hard finding new games to FAQ when you don't know a single word of Japanese. I've decided that my next game will be Mezase! Top Pro Green Kakeru Yume. I just want to make sure from someone here though since I can't read Japanese, there's only 2 courses in the game right?
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Eternal_Debate | Posted 2/16/2010 12:12:21 AM | message detail
Think I mentioned I would pass on Nankoku Shirei: Spy vs Spy in the previous topic, due to having computer issues. If so, forget that, I'll still work on that, as the computer is fully working now. Was hoping to get it done by the end of the last topic, but the last page flew by. Will try to get something done by the end of the month anyway, but no promises.

As for the guides submitted being average quality, expect that from this game. Just not enough to it to write a good quality FAQ. Anybody else that feels like writing a better guide though is more than welcome.
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Devin Morgan (Moderator) | Posted 2/16/2010 2:53:06 PM | message detail
Well, four games got FAQs today. Another quick canceling out of odino's additions. :P

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Games | Posted 2/16/2010 6:17:43 PM | message detail
If this Completion Project allows users claiming for 2 different games, I would like to claim Journey to the West. I have managed to get to Level 4 in that game so far and managed to complete the first 3 levels with only loosing some life to the Bosses (and no extra lives). I also have the information needed to get a guide for those first 3 levels.

If I can not claim 2 games in this CP, I would like to remove my claim for Zunou Senkan Galg for the time being, as I think I have a better chance of completing Journey to the West before my current claim. For anyone interested in claiming Zunou Senkan Galg, here is the website Devin posted in the previous topic for the game - http://if2001.hp.infoseek.co.jp/garg/

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Devin Morgan (Moderator) | Posted 2/16/2010 11:08:23 PM | message detail
You can claim as many games as you like, so I'll keep you on Galg and add you to Journey to the West (unless you want something different).

I am currently working on I Love Softball. Also planning on covering both Famicom Jump games at some point, as well as Soreike! Anpanman - Minna de Hiking Game! (thanks to odino for pointing me toward this one). There are several games I have my eyes on currently, so the streak will continue for the time being. ;)

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odino | Posted 2/17/2010 2:58:58 AM | message detail
Bingo
Mahjong Block
Horses Racing (==Du Ma Racing)
Strike Wolf

with the latter it's almost like a Operation Wolf hack. Don't think there are any other Asian releases to add right now. There is a game called "Policeman" but I haven't found it.
adaml | Posted 2/17/2010 4:29:20 AM | message detail
Let me know if you can get past the first level of Strike Wolf...or maybe it was the 2nd. I know the game freezes up for me every time I try.

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DBM11085 | Posted 2/17/2010 3:59:01 PM | message detail
I will do Horses Racing for tomorrow. Looking at Mahjong Block as well, but if someone else wants it, go for it.

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odino | Posted 2/17/2010 5:22:50 PM | message detail
Mahjong Block is Taiwanese Mahjong right, so then you can do those other Asian release too (Mahjong companion etc). You can just borrow the info from the other Mahjong guides but just not the Richi rules etc.

Baseball Fighter seems a little short. Aren't there any player stats?
Devin Morgan (Moderator) | Posted 2/17/2010 8:39:22 PM | message detail
odino, have you played Mahjong Block? It seems to be a falling block type game, which IIRC is not the same as the other Mahjong games...

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odino | Posted 2/18/2010 4:26:23 AM | message detail
Oh, all right :)
Aussie2B | Posted 2/18/2010 3:41:08 PM | message detail
I've been working on my AV Hanafuda Club FAQ, and I've also been fixing up the database in terms of Hacker International's other unlicensed Famicom games. Most additions I've made have been alternate versions of games already in the database so no worries there, but I did get another entirely new game added, Hanafuda Yuukyou Den - Nagarebana Oryuu. And this one is going to be problematic in terms of covering. It's another Hanafuda game so in theory I would be able to do it, but unlike AV Hanafuda Club, I don't own the actual cart. From everything I've read, the one and only ROM dump out there is corrupt, having been truncated for some reason, causing the game to screw up part way through when it searches for data that doesn't exist in the file. To make matters trickier yet, most of Hacker International's library is really rare and expensive, so good luck to anyone trying to find a copy of the game.

Also, I have a feeling that there are more Hacker International Famicom games not in the database, but it's really hard to make sense of their library. I combed through this list very carefully and added what I could confirm, but there are a couple titles that I'm not sure if they're alternate versions of something already up or if they're entirely unique. If anybody else wants to make sense of it (if you don't mind looking at 8-porn, haha), here's the link:

http://www.er.uqam.ca/merlin/fd491499/nintendo/nes/hackerinternational/
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Aussie2B | Posted 2/18/2010 3:43:04 PM | message detail
8-bit porn, rather. :P
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adaml | Posted 2/18/2010 5:49:19 PM | message detail
Horses Racing...does this go under a different name? The FAQ mentions Du Ma Racing or something but I can't find this anywhere online. I want to try it.

Da Hui, is there an ending at all or does it keep repeating? Is the Racing mode just one race and you restart again? :(


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Da Hui | Posted 2/18/2010 5:52:38 PM | message detail
Racing? You mean Devin?
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Devin Morgan (Moderator) | Posted 2/18/2010 6:00:52 PM | message detail
Adam, it looks like Race Mode just repeats. You don't get any points or reward for winning. Picture it like sort of a simple versus/2P mode of sorts.

For some reason it's listed here as Horses Race, but it should be called "1991 Du Ma Racing". Wonder why it's not...

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odino | Posted 2/18/2010 7:42:32 PM | message detail
Cartridge says "Horses Racing" as well as "Du Ma Racing" (means Horsebetting Racing of sorts). Dumps often follow title screens - so it seems.
adaml | Posted 2/18/2010 8:22:56 PM | message detail
Yeah, I thought Devin did that one. Between the two of you cranking out guides lately and both starting with D I got a bit confused.

If it has no ending, I probably won't bother with it. Speaking of epic battles, I finally beat Bandit Kings of Ancient China (put images up here on gamefaqs). The Evil Gao Qiu has my vote as the baddest NES villain of all time.

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Games | Posted 2/20/2010 12:07:51 PM | message detail
Just became bored and calculated that if this project continues on getting about 7 games completed per week, it should only take between 35 and 36 weeks to complete this project.

As we have over 42 weeks left in this year, the progress shown by Devin and Da Hui alone (if continued through the year) should be enough to complete every NES game before 2011.

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Devin Morgan (Moderator) | Posted 2/20/2010 6:40:22 PM | message detail
My streak will dry up soon enough, sadly. At least a lot of the simpler games are being knocked out, making it more clear to find what _really_ needs more heavy-duty coverage. ;) I have a few RPGs lined up to FAQ at some point, but not just yet...

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Da Hui | Posted 2/20/2010 7:17:56 PM | message detail
Heh, it's next to impossible to continue at at least a FAQ/day pace. I'm going to take a small break for now too. I have a couple of tests and papers I should be working on.
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adaml | Posted 2/21/2010 12:01:01 AM | message detail
There's no way this project gets finished in 2010. I thought I would have all US released NES games beaten by now but I hit the wall of sludge known as Koei and games that are just difficult and uninspiring. Just think how unappealing the last 20 games left in this project are going to be. Sure, someone will hit them eventually, but it will get pretty murky.

Plus, Odino will keep finding more games to add anyway, so it will never truly be complete, but what an amazing accomplishment to even get as many of these games done as have been.

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odino | Posted 2/21/2010 2:52:12 AM | message detail
Ha, no more games to add from my end until maybe some strange carts surface. Besides, these tiny games are not really trouble for the project.

Got another Mahjong game worked out, will post sometime this week I hope.