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.NES FAQ Completion Project Part 9.
_Lagoona_ | Posted 9/4/2009 9:17:09 AM | message detail |
.Another successful episode of the NES FAQ Completion Project is over with the 8th topic reaching 500. So here starts Part 9. Since the project was started in May 2004 by Andrew Schultz a total of 627 NES games newly got a complete guide, and only about 290 are still in need of one. Overall, there are now 81.3% of all NES games covered! Excellent job, everyone! Of the remaining ones, only a select few have been published outside Asia. These are (feel free to correct me): Metal Mech: Man & Machine The Miracle Piano Teaching System Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (Half-circle) Tecmo World Cup Soccer War in the Gulf The remaining games will be harder to tackle just due to the fact that a lot of them require knowledge in Japanese. But every single one covered counts. Maybe by the end of this topic at least all US and EU games are done... Last but not least, the project site can be found here: http://faqs.retronintendo.com/ Everyone's welcome to join and contribute to the project! Continue onwards my cohorts, for the NES commands it! ~brian sulpher --- .Nobody is perfect, I'm nobody. :-p *Blob* |
Link1666 | Posted 9/4/2009 8:55:38 PM | message detail |
wow, the nes project sure has come a long way --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=48580690-Have game ratings petition |
odino | Posted 9/4/2009 11:01:44 PM | message detail |
Oh, Topic 9 already. I like how you put the . in your title :) Da Hui, you mentioned there are no more Driving games left, but actually Cycle Race is "driving" just that the site lists these under Sport (On Foot is under Driving on the other hand, go figure). |
cloud VS sephiroth | Posted 9/5/2009 1:49:12 AM | message detail |
So, what's up with those dots at the start of the sentence? --- Board account of Absolute Steve. |
vinheim | Posted 9/5/2009 3:33:41 AM | message detail |
So, what's up with those dots at the start of the sentence? Maybe a signature of his --- Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality. |
Games | Posted 9/5/2009 6:01:14 AM | message detail |
In the last topic, there was a list of FAQ-able games. I am wondering if that list will be updated (and improved to include most (if not every) game that can be FAQed without requiring to learn a new language). Just for everyone's knowledge, it was this post of Da Hui I was referring to: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/detail.php?board=2000094&topic=47269585&message=544880040 --- Allow GameFAQ users to Track Guides by signing this petition - www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=44545278 |
selmiak | Posted 9/5/2009 10:42:11 AM | message detail |
is there a way to keep the old topics alive so that the link will still work in some monthes or even years from now, but not clutter up the top of the topic list with old sticky topics? I guess not, so here is the list by Da Hui Asmik-Kun Land - Platformer Baltron - Shooter, similar to Defender II Chinese Kung-Fu: Challenge of the Dragon - Platformer, similar fighting to Secret Scout Chiyonofuji no Ooichou - Sumo Wrestling game, should be a quick FAQ Cosmic Wars - Strategy game with most of the translation done Cycle Race - Road Man - Racing game. Daisenryaku - Strategy game with translation Family Circuit /'91 - Two decent racing games Fantasy Zone 2 - Shooter Fushigi no Umi Nadia - Strategy with a translation available Gaiapolis - Action/Adventure game Geimos - Shooter Golf-kko Open - Golf game Gyrodine - Shooter Journey to the West - Platformer Kiteretsu Daihyakka - Platformer Magical * Taru Ruto-Kun 2 - Similar to SMB3 Magnum Kiki Ippatsu - Think of a light gun game minus the light gun Metal Mech - Platformer Mezase! Top Green Kakeru Yume - Golf Mirai Senshi: Lios - Strategy game, translation available Mirair Shinwa Jarvas - RPG, translation available Namco Classic II - Golf Nankoku Shirei!! Spy vs. Spy - Similar to the other Spy vs Spy Noah's Ark - Platformer Nobunaga's Ambition - Strategy P'radikus Conflict - Kind of a space adventure game Parasol Henbee - Platformer with some Japanese, mainly the items in shops Plasma Ball - Weird sports games with some Japanese stats, all you really need is like 4 words which I'm sure people would gladly translate for you Sakigake!! Otokojuku - Kind of a beat em up game SD Battle Oozumou - Sumo Wrestling Sea of Dreamland - Shooter Shadow Land - Platformer Spelunker II - Adventure with translation patch. Similar movements to Platoon Stunt Kids - Cheap rip off of ExciteBike that failed Super Spy Hunter - Just like the others Taiyou no Yuusha Fighbird - Shooter with translation available Uchuu Keibitai SDF - Shooter Ultimate Air Combat - Mix between simulation and traditional shooter War in Gulf - Shooter Woody Poko - Kind of like an old adventure-ish/platformer game World Boxing - Boxing game Youkai Club - Platformer Zunou Senkan Galg - Shooter ....Magical * Taru Ruto-Kun 2 sounds interesting, maybe I'll dive into this one, but I'm moving atm, so don't expect too much in the next weeks and I'll have to try it before I say I'll write for it... --- I don't care who your dad is! While I'm fishing here nobody walks over the water! www.selmiak.de.vu /// ...Wenn du das verstehst, besuche sofort Board 568011 |
Games | Posted 9/5/2009 10:46:17 AM | message detail |
^ You know, maybe you could have gone through the list and clear the completed games (and any other games that could be FAQed without having to understand a language other than English). --- Allow GameFAQ users to Track Guides by signing this petition - www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=44545278 |
Devin Morgan | Posted 9/5/2009 12:12:53 PM | message detail |
selmiak, I do archive all of the old topics in their original form on the project site... --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 NES FAQ Completion Project: http://faqs.retronintendo.com |
jelly soup | Posted 9/5/2009 4:16:41 PM | message detail |
Dear me, the project has come a long way, hasn't it? Now that I have access to power university computers, I should see about an FAQ or two. --- http://backloggery.com/jellysoup "Work is the best antidote to sorrow." - Sherlock Holmes |
TrulyDexterous | Posted 9/6/2009 12:07:56 AM | message detail |
That list is out of date anyway. Some of the games have been covered. |
_Lagoona_ | Posted 9/6/2009 3:15:15 AM | message detail |
.Note me down for Parasol Henbee - I finally figured out the controls. (And I'll eventually get around to sending some screens to odino for translation...) --- .Nobody is perfect, I'm nobody. :-Þ *Blob* |
odino | Posted 9/6/2009 3:51:30 AM | message detail |
And don't forget Nobunaga no Yabou: Bushou Fuuunroku is in English on the SNES. |
selmiak | Posted 9/6/2009 6:28:56 AM | message detail |
From: Devin Morgan | Posted: 9/5/2009 7:12:53 PM | #009 I know, but I think having this list it in the actual topic is nice ;) --- I don't care who your dad is! While I'm fishing here nobody walks over the water! www.selmiak.de.vu /// ...Wenn du das verstehst, besuche sofort Board 568011 |
odino | Posted 9/6/2009 10:06:39 AM | message detail |
Maybe an updated list would help for a new topic... and by the way Youkai Douchuuki (Shadow Land) has a lot of Japanese for a platformer, I think it involves gambling of some kind. I'm trying to finish Castle Quest off this week. |
DarkstarRipclaw | Posted 9/6/2009 11:49:05 AM | message detail |
It'll have been a short delay, but you can expect Gaiapolis to be up and complete for Tuesday. --- Wish Upon a Darkstar |
Games | Posted 9/6/2009 12:11:29 PM | message detail |
Update of Da Hui's list NOTE: This may not include other games that can be covered without knowledge of any language other than English, but at least it will remove games that have already been completed that was already on the list. I will also add all NA/EU games, as it would be quite stupid if games released in these countries did NOT have an English version of the game. The ones with *I ADDED THIS* are games that have been released in the US/EU that were not on this list, but I am certain does have an English Translation. Asmik-Kun Land - Platformer Baltron - Shooter, similar to Defender II Chinese Kung-Fu: Challenge of the Dragon - Platformer, similar fighting to Secret Scout Chiyonofuji no Ooichou - Sumo Wrestling game, should be a quick FAQ Cosmic Wars - Strategy game with most of the translation done Cycle Race - Road Man - Racing game. Daisenryaku - Strategy game with translation Fushigi no Umi Nadia - Strategy with a translation available Gaiapolis - Action/Adventure game Golf-kko Open - Golf game Gyrodine - Shooter Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom - 2D Platformer *I ADDED THIS* Journey to the West - Platformer Kiteretsu Daihyakka - Platformer Magical * Taru Ruto-Kun 2 - Similar to SMB3 Magnum Kiki Ippatsu - Think of a light gun game minus the light gun Metal Mech: Man & Machine - Platformer Mezase! Top Pro Green Kakeru Yume - Golf Mirai Senshi: Lios - Strategy game, translation available Mirai Shinwa Jarvas - RPG, translation available Namco Classic II - Golf Nankoku Shirei!! Spy vs. Spy - Similar to the other Spy vs Spy Parasol Henbee - Platformer with some Japanese, mainly the items in shops Plasma Ball - Weird sports games with some Japanese stats, all you really need is like 4 words which I'm sure people would gladly translate for you Sakigake!! Otokojuku - Kind of a beat em up game SD Battle Oozumou - Sumo Wrestling Shadow Land - Platformer Taiyou no Yuusha Fighbird - Shooter with translation available Tecmo World Cup Soccer - Football or Soccer (depends if you live in the UK or US) *I ADDED THIS* The Miracle Piano Teaching System - Piano Teaching, may require a special, piano controller *I ADDED THIS* War in the Gulf - Shooter Woody Poko - Kind of like an old adventure-ish/platformer game World Boxing - Boxing game Youkai Club - Platformer Zunou Senkan Galg - Shooter Oh, and I do think that the website for this Completion Project should include games that can be covered by people with no knowledge of any language apart from English. --- Allow GameFAQ users to Track Guides by signing this petition - www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=44545278 |
jelly soup | Posted 9/6/2009 12:16:08 PM | message detail |
For the most part, any game can be FAQed via trial and error, language barrier or no. --- http://backloggery.com/jellysoup "Work is the best antidote to sorrow." - Sherlock Holmes |
Damage_dealer | Posted 9/6/2009 12:19:05 PM | message detail |
Baltron walkthrough should be done soon, I promise. |
Games | Posted 9/6/2009 1:13:41 PM | message detail |
Yeah, but I would not like to try FAQ a Japanese-language RPG as it will take me ages to figure out where I was supposed to go, and probably even longer to explain it. As everyone else is doing it, I will also give a progress report on Gyrodine. Got past the ships (quite a lot further, tbh) that are mentioned at the end of the guide and am in the middle of writing down the new enemies and the new part of the game I have reached. Have no idea as to when I will complete it, as I have no idea how long the game is. --- Allow GameFAQ users to Track Guides by signing this petition - www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=44545278 |
Eternal_Debate | Posted 9/7/2009 12:27:17 AM | message detail |
If somebody feels like taking Nankoku Shirei!! Spy vs. Spy off my hands, go for it. I have no idea how long it will be before I can get my computer fixed - the repairers are only open week days and I would have to take time off work - very busy at work, so won't be for a few weeks at least. I'll look for another game to FAQ when I finally get a working computer back, as I'm sure I will be able to find something decent. I think odino mentioned a prototype of this game was available in the previous topic? (Spy vs Spy: The Island Caper) Not sure about this, but sounds like the same game. I can say that you need no knowledge of Japanese for the game - the only Japanese at all is on the title screen in the game name. From the last topic, the Japanese part of the game name translates to "South Country: Foolish Orders" (thanks IceQueenZer0). Only had a skeleton done of the FAQ, so not like I had done any real work on it. It seems like a very simple game to write a guide for though, for anyone looking for a game to write for - I recommend it. --- ~ Ringworm ~ |
jelly soup | Posted 9/7/2009 1:47:00 PM | message detail |
Yeah, but I would not like to try FAQ a Japanese-language RPG as it will take me ages to figure out where I was supposed to go, and probably even longer to explain it. It would depend on the game. For Final Fantasy 1 (as an example), it would only take an hour or so of running around to figure it out and jot down 'talk to the character in the cave north of the town' in notepad. I would think that most NES era RPGs are of a similar caliber. --- http://backloggery.com/jellysoup "Work is the best antidote to sorrow." - Sherlock Holmes |
stahlbaum | Posted 9/7/2009 6:27:16 PM | message detail |
^^No. Trust me. Kaijuu Monogatari was annoying enough to FAQ while being translated. Being entirely in japanese and it would still be on this list. |
Gemerl | Posted 9/7/2009 9:09:47 PM | message detail |
Hey guys, new topic yeah? I haven't been around - been doing unrelated stuff for other sites the last few months. But I'm getting prepared to finish a guide I have 1/3 finished and then move on to doing more for the NES. --- Complete FAQS: 76 http://faqs.retronintendo.com |
Pluvius | Posted 9/9/2009 3:19:57 PM | message detail |
Seeing ASchultz doing Ultima V maps reminds me that the NES port of that game is very different from the computer versions, and thus the FAQ given is invalid. I've submitted a problem report. I presume Andrew's doing a proper FAQ of it anyway. (I apologize to him on behalf of humanity for how bad the port is, BTW.) Rob |
ASchultz | Posted 9/9/2009 4:48:36 PM | message detail |
Heh, I noticed the FAQ referred to, err, "bonus" locations and abilities not actually in the NES game. I think the author asked to borrow stuff from my PC guide and slapped on a few NES GameGenie codes and that was it. Thanks for pulling the trigger when I couldn't. I suspect he's long gone and doesn't care, at any rate. I should have a more comprehensive FAQ up in a few days--just cranking out the maps right now. I can cheat through the game and now I really need to play through more honestly. I know pretty much where to go and it's a question of in what order, and how to build a party efficiently. Plus I'm not sure what to do in Doom--the Apple solution didn't work--so I may need to go talk to everyone in the various towns again. As for the port being bad--at least the maps are terribly fun to make. I have rough drafts of the under- and overworlds. --- LEMSDAY. |
Devin Morgan | Posted 9/10/2009 10:54:51 AM | message detail |
Despite the language barrier, a good portion of the remaining games are actually quite simple. A lot of times it just requires menu translations and such to get by. There should be very few games that require complete fluency in the language in order to fully FAQ them (even then, it's nothing a bit of trial and error won't solve). :P --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 NES FAQ Completion Project: http://faqs.retronintendo.com |
DarkstarRipclaw | Posted 9/11/2009 4:21:14 PM | message detail |
Gaiapolis should be finished for Monday (for the most part). I still have not figured out how to trigger the magic spells - I accidentally did it once, loaded the state for it like two seconds beforehand, and have been unable to repeat the process. adaml? --- Wish Upon a Darkstar |
adaml | Posted 9/11/2009 6:20:54 PM | message detail |
Darkstar, I don't remember offhand how to do it but if I have time this weekend I'll fire the game up again and try and find out. Of course you'll probably have it figured out by then :) --- American NES games left to beat: 11 Last 3 NES games beaten: Wario's Woods, Overlord and F-117A Stealth Fighter [Updated 5/24/07] |
threetimes | Posted 9/12/2009 3:30:06 PM | message detail |
Beat Shinsenden, so I'll definitely write a walkthrough for that. --- "All I care about is how many experience points you're worth." |
DarkstarRipclaw | Posted 9/14/2009 1:15:56 AM | message detail |
Finally on the last stage of Gaiapolis, I will stay up a bit late tonight to get this done. I also figured out how to get the magic to work. That said, I am not amused about the Stage 4 boss. You simply cannot be injured by it. Really? The game was at least slightly decent up until then, but then that happened. --- Wish Upon a Darkstar |
DarkstarRipclaw | Posted 9/14/2009 2:41:57 AM | message detail |
Well, you can cross Gaiapolis off the list tomorrow. For such a seemingly short game (I probably spent maybe six hours writing for it) it was tedious enough to make it take a long time :P. Hopefully it shall get some momentum going on the project again (nothing new since the first?) A couple of extra notes: please take me off of Mouryou Senki Madara, and sign me up for Daisenryaku. Also, in regards to those looking for War in the Gulf: a certain Romsite-that-must-not-be-named that literally has just about everything doesn't have it. I had the same issue with Silver Eagle last year, so it's probably an extremely obscure game that just hasn't been uploaded or anything (I am assuming it is unlicensed, too). --- Wish Upon a Darkstar |
Games | Posted 9/14/2009 5:37:57 AM | message detail |
^ If we are going to make notes on what to change on that list, please add me as someone writing for Gyrodine AND that it has a half-circle guide. Probably will be like that for a while, as the game is longer than I thought. --- Allow GameFAQ users to Track Guides by signing this petition - www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=44545278 |
odino | Posted 9/14/2009 7:57:18 AM | message detail |
Castle Quest is done. War in the Gulf seems to be missing in action. Chances of that surfacing are higher than those 2 disk-based baseball games though. |
Devin Morgan | Posted 9/14/2009 9:27:25 PM | message detail |
It would depend on the game. For Final Fantasy 1 (as an example), it would only take an hour or so of running around to figure it out and jot down 'talk to the character in the cave north of the town' in notepad. I would think that most NES era RPGs are of a similar caliber. If you took that approach and spent an extraneous amount of time wandering/trying to figure out what to do next, chances are you will be end up quite overpowered, thus (hopefully) making things a bit easier. Just a thought. ;) --- Devin Morgan | CRP #3579 NES FAQ Completion Project: http://faqs.retronintendo.com |
odino | Posted 9/15/2009 7:10:02 AM | message detail |
There are still a dozen obscure games left but I look foward to decipher them when it comes to the lower double digits # games left. |
PhazonMouthWash | Posted 9/15/2009 5:48:04 PM | message detail |
f you took that approach and spent an extraneous amount of time wandering/trying to figure out what to do next, chances are you will be end up quite overpowered, thus (hopefully) making things a bit easier. Just a thought. ;) Yes, there is that too. It would seem to me that any RPG that wasn't completely story driven (as most NES RPGs aren't) could be FAQed via trail and error mixed with lots of leveling. --- This account is an alt of JellySoup, so that he might submit works from the awesome campus computers instead of his lame home computer. |
selmiak | Posted 9/16/2009 9:24:30 AM | message detail |
From: PhazonMouthWash | Posted: 9/16/2009 12:48:04 AM | #037 sounds like fun >_< --- I don't care who your dad is! While I'm fishing here nobody walks over the water! www.selmiak.de.vu /// ...Wenn du das verstehst, besuche sofort Board 568011 |
FecalLord | Posted 9/20/2009 1:37:25 PM | message detail |
I'll probably regret it, but put me down for Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. I played the game a lot as a kid and remember how bad it was. I plan to do some maps as well, which should make things a lot easier. --- "IF ALL ELSE FAILS USE FIRE" ~Zelda II "Sound levels can fool you." ~VirtualBoy manual |
adaml | Posted 9/22/2009 6:30:10 PM | message detail |
Not sure if this is considered a pirate, but it was released in China AND is a unique game AND could badly use a FAQ: Di Dao Zhan (Ch) I ran across a version of Phantasy Star for the NES not too long ago as well. I think it was released in China as well, but I cannot remember the name. --- American NES games left to beat: 11 Last 3 NES games beaten: Wario's Woods, Overlord and F-117A Stealth Fighter [Updated 5/24/07] |
DarkstarRipclaw | Posted 9/22/2009 10:55:21 PM | message detail |
Actually, scratch me off for Daisenryaku (not that I was really ever on it though :P). The interface is a bit too clunky for me and at the time I really am not in the mood for clunky. --- Wish Upon a Darkstar |
Akheon | Posted 9/25/2009 9:59:03 AM | message detail |
Interesting project. Have you thought of doing this for some other console once NES is completely covered? |
Games | Posted 9/25/2009 4:01:44 PM | message detail |
Every couple of months, a topic will be created to discuss what should be the next console to cover after the NES console is completed. The consoles that are generally suggested are: Sega Master System - There was a project for this, but more people focused on the NES Project and this kinda died. One or Two users think that it would be more successful if the board focuses on it without any other project to interfere. Could also lead VERY EASILY to a GameGear project. Genesis - Has a wide selection of games that the SNES also has to allow an easy convergence onto a SNES project, with less Japanese-Only games to contend with. This seems to be the most popular from what I have seen, but I would want the Master System completed first. SNES - Only successful project so far is it's predecessor, the NES project. Like the other consoles, most of the games are easily accessible and you still have a transition to the Genesis project, if wanted. GameBoy/GameBoy Colour - It always gets mentioned as another project that failed in the past. Same sort of reasons as the Master System, but it seems to have a bit more support. Playstation - A very popular console, but obtaining some games may make this project very hard, if not impossible. Cartridge consoles seem to get more support that a Disc console because of the ability to get some rare games easier. I would love to see the Master System completed personally. The main reason is that it was a major competitor to NES and I grew up with Sonic, Sega and the Master System. However, this will probably not be discussed to the depths of making an actual decision until the NES project is 100% completed. We do value any help that any user can give for this project (or any game without a guide) and hope that you consider attempting to complete a guide for a guide-less game (on this site). --- Allow GameFAQ users to Track Guides by signing this petition - www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=44545278 |
Pluvius | Posted 9/26/2009 3:33:57 PM | message detail |
The Famicom Disk System is also a really obvious next step. Rob |
TrulyDexterous | Posted 9/27/2009 6:48:33 AM | message detail |
The FDS isn't an obvious choice. It would have a very narrow band of support. If and when the next project comes along, the systems that Games mentioned are the most probable. Well, excluding the Playstation. This being said, I'm sure a lot of people want to concentrate on rounding off the remaining NES games. |
Space Medafighter X | Posted 9/27/2009 10:14:00 AM | message detail |
Genesis is far more doable than the SNES is, that`s for sure (less games overall, more platforming games and less RPGs) --- Eevee! |
Games | Posted 9/27/2009 1:12:38 PM | message detail |
Console Name = All Regions = NA = JP = EU Sega Master System (SMS) = 155 / 325 (47%) = 68 / 115 (59%) = 48 / 84 (57%) = 139 / 269 (51%) Genesis = 390 / 942 (41%) = 353 / 715 (49%) = 191 / 451 (42%) = 274 / 529 (51%) SNES = 720 / 1833 (39%) = 417 / 726 (57%) = 573 / 1511 (37%) = 248 / 411 (60%) Game Boy = 277 / 1061 (26%) = 228 / 525 (43%) = 194 / 774 (25%) = 99 / 176 (56%) Game Boy Colour = 194 / 909 (21%) = 164 / 458 (35%) = 92 / 463 (19%) = 113 / 372 (30%) Playstation = 1000 / 4281 (23%) = 665 / 1350 (49%) = 680 / 3256 (20%) = 632 / 1406 (44%) Famicom Disk System = 90 / 199 (45%) = --- = 90 / 199 (45%) = --- I doubt that Famicom will be done soon, as all games on this site points to JP Only. There is also a high amount of JP Only games for the Playstation, from the looks of it. SMS has the second least amount of games (Famicom has less, but all are JP), with only 17 of the games left being JP exclusive, 1 of the games being a Korea exclusive, 18 being a South America exclusive and no Asia exclusives. I have also played 1 of the JP exclusives (Solomon's Key), which could easily be converted from the NES version of the game. Anyway, lets just get the NES project over with before this topic becomes hi-jacked with discussion on what will take it's place. --- Allow GameFAQ users to Track Guides by signing this petition - www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=44545278 |
Devin Morgan | Posted 9/28/2009 10:13:44 AM | message detail |
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MegamanX | Posted 9/30/2009 4:32:54 PM | message detail |
Just think though guys in 5-10 years some saps will be doing a DS completion project and have to FAQ 700 imagine and pet games! --- Beaten Game Count:#949 TMNT Turtles in Time (Arc) XBL:StingX2 http://www.backloggery.com/main.php?user=stingx2 |
Games | Posted 9/30/2009 4:37:34 PM | message detail |
LOL, the DS Completion Project will be one of the worst to complete. However, unlike quite a few systems, it would be possible. Hell, there are a few systems that STILL need lots of games added to this site. Really should update my Acorn Archimedes Game List to include the later games I have added to this site. --- Allow GameFAQ users to Track Guides by signing this petition - www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=44545278 |